Thursday, October 06, 2005

Aah Yes, Rick Warren, Even Teaching Jews How To Be Seeker Sensitive

exhibit #1
According to Synagogue 3000, an umbrella organization pushing for synagogue transformation, there was “a pathbreaking meeting with Rick Warren ("The Purpose-Driven Life"), founding pastor of Saddleback Church" – an evangelical Christian church that average over 30,000 worshipers each weekend - to explore what synagogues can learn from mega-churches and small groups.

With a new model in place, Synagogue 3000 says that “thousands of Jewish worshippers around the country are being drawn to (the organization’s) new concept of lively, creative and spiritually welcoming communities.� The organization says the success of its venture defies the notion that there is a decreased demand for synagogues, and claims that Synagogue 3000 congregations are growing, not shrinking.

full article here

I have really always been uneasy about this Rick Warren guy. But lately i have been having alot of my uneasiness being justified. after i read this following article I was absolutely outraged. I have never liked the seeker sensitive movement. But this my friends takes it to a new level. Its one thing for them to pick it up by observing but you actively trying to help a group of people That refuse to acknowledge Christ. It is a heresy to reject Christ. Instead of teaching them church Growth methods you should be reaching out to them in love with The Gospel. This is exactly what the apostles did in acts when they were among the jews they proclaimed the supremacy of Christ and told the Jews of how they put Christ to death (see acts3:11-4:2 for just one of many examples). Sounds a wee bit different, ok a lot, than what Mr. Warren did when he was to meet with the Jewish leaders.
This is supposed to be the poster Boy for the modern church? Especially the dear old SBC. What happens when we stop preaching Christ Crucified and start teaching a moral Gospel? I cant help but wonder where he will lead us next. I am very afraid of where that will be. Pluralism? That is part of the problem with PDL it is written to the Lost as well as the Saved. I remember watching an interview with Mr Warren bragging on The O'Reiley Factor on how his Muslim, and Jewish friends were reading his book and getting something out of it. Now that is plum scary. So is telling people that God has a purpose for them really the best way to share the Gospel with them? I don’t think so, at least not in the way 99% of people do it.

Exhibit#2
Opposing this modern evangelism tactic, John MacArthur, in his sermon entitled How To Obtain Eternal Life, writes: "You must not approach people on the basis that Christ will meet their psychological needs. This may sound like heresy, but did you know that God does not have a wonderful plan for your life? Unless you consider eternal torment a wonderful plan. He has a horrible plan for those who don't know Christ. When we approach people, perhaps we ought to say, "Did you know that God loves you and has a horrible plan for your life?" We must approach the problem of sin. The Old Testament says, "God is angry with the wicked every day" (Ps. 7:11). A good, holy, and pure God cannot tolerate evil. So Jesus affirms what must always be affirmed-- there is a divine law that must be kept. If you violate that law, you're under the judgment of God."
quote of a quote both are great links.

In this, quote/sermon is a call for us to preach the Gospel Boldly, notice not out of hate but love. But This even beckons the question what does love look like. It has been well said that love is not telling them what they want to hear(i.e. God has a wonderful plain. that includes your best life now!) as opposed to what they need to know(i.e. you’re a sinner and Gods wrath abides in you) We are lying to people when we tell them that God has a wonderful plan for them. When in truth, that they being lost, are vessels of Gods wrath. This may seem one sided, but we must be broken over sin. Brokeness over sin could be another post all together but i will leave you with a scripture reference just to spare you the length(James 4:8-10). With out being broken how can we see the Gospel for what it really is, God choosing to save wretched man from his bondage to sin. And to realize we need Grace we must first come to the end of our selves. We must continue to come to the end of our selves. But how can we do that if all we tell people is that God has a plain for them? how can they recognize there sinfulness, if, we skip over divine judgement and his holiness, and right to the fruits of Gods salvation. What are we supposed to have faith in the fruits no. but faith in the giver of the Fruits. The Giver, who can never be seen properly till we see our selves properly.

2 comments:

Fjr said...

I think old ricky's book has alotta good things to tell us. But then so do alotta other books (the koran) ....Wait, I thought I was gonna say something positive and defend the guy...oh well whats the point. :P

At my church this morning (Covenant) we had the founder of the church speaking and he talked about "The robe, the ring and the shoes"...He posited how the church has lost its Robe its Ring and its shoes(from the prodigal son story, his inheritance). Those symbolising the the authority of God (the ring) the glory of the gospel (the robe(not sure on that one)), i dont remember what the shoes represented....

Anyways the church gave these up for various worldly things, like political power, and riches, and popularity. He said "Never trade something heavenly for something earthly"

Maybe that's what is going on here, maybe Ricky has traded in and sold out. :/ But when he wrote the book, that wasnt the case *shrug*

Anonymous said...

I find it interesting that the guy could get judged and found guilty from one line in an article that says he had a conversation with someone. You have a lot more trust in the media than I do. Besides, aren't we supposed to go to a brother first and talk with him privately before going public with an offense? I am amazed at how we so quickly do this instead of giving the benefit of the doubt on the other side. Also, isn't it a good thing to open up dialoge with those who don't know CHrist? How do we know he didn't present the gospel to them?

It saddens me when Christians want to use the bible to "correct" someone but don't listen to Jesus' own teaching in Matthew about how to approach a brother or sister. Have you ever communicated with Rick? Ever even been to Saddleback to see what the church is about? Until you do or have, you are in danger of gossip. Sorry for the long post. I can see your passion for the gospel I am just wary of slander based on small "facts." The post before this one even belittles Rick by calling him Ricky. If we expect to live as Christ did we need to treat one another that way first. Thanks for the space to comment :)